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Vallery
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06-Aug-07, 11:06 PM (PST)
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"Bare back "BB""
 
   Obviously this is the most unsafe thing a person can do in our line of work, and I have decided to not offer bbbj anymore. And if they dont like it, well that is just too bad, this is my life and my health on the line and I am very protective of it.
My question is this: What I WAS doing, was using anti-bacterial lotion that is supposed to kill 100% of germs (which probably turns out to 99% technically, which is still good) and then going to work. Do I still run a risk of catching something? I did not EVER let anyone cim and never will... I am just not comfortable doing BB anything anymore, even though I have done it, I just wont anymore, and if it hurts my business, I am going to deal with it. I want everyones comments about this, because that is what I WAS doing, because I am new.
Help =(

~Vallery
xoxoxx

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Contessa
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1. "RE: Bare back"
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LAST EDITED ON 07-Aug-07 AT 00:36 AM (PST)
 
Anti-bacterial lotion won't kill STDs, HIV, herpes or any viruses in the precum or ejaculate. It'll kill man-cooties, and help make him smell better, but won't do diddly to a virus like herpes.

Brushing your teeth beforehand also raises your risks. (use mouthwash, but don't brush more than 30 mins before so the tiny tears in your mouth can heal)

There's lots of info on the net, here's just one excerpt:
"a woman or man can transmit a sexually transmitted germ to you and your penis during a blow job. The most common germ transmitted in this fashion is probably herpes, but syphilis, hepatitis B, gonorrhea, chlamydia, human papilloma virus are all possible (but unlikely) as well. HIV/AIDS is VERY unlikely to be transmitted in this way. A person who has not yet developed an active herpetic outbreak of the mouth from a bad cold ("fever blister"), can transmit the virus a day or so before they actually get the actual blisters. If they then suck your dick, their oral herpes germs can get deposited on the skin of your penis. Any roughness that can cause a cut, scratch, bite, abrasion, etc., from tight penile skin or just being "too frisky" can be the necessary opening for the virus to get in and cause infection a few days to a few weeks later. Is it likely? Probably not, but it is possible."
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Venereal-Diseases-2106/Sexually-transmitted-diseases.htm

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2. "RE: Bare back "BB""
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Bravo Vallery for bringing this subject up and Bravo Contessa for bringing the facts to light.

I truly enjoy a nibble or two here and there, and whilst it is most delicious bb, I know the consequences. I have had so much fun making "sundaes". A very fresh and safe flavored condom, smothered in whipped cream, drizzled with chocolate and a cherry on top. Slowly indulging myself and knowing the anticipation is mutual. I am sure that even though both myself and my client are in the throes of passion, at the end of the day we are both concerned with Safety. The more we are safe, protect ourselves, And use our imagination, the more Bliss we can experience in life.

Little Tidbits of Titillation
Sweet Bliss,
AlohaLuv,
Leora

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Vallery
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07-Aug-07, 09:45 AM (PST)
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3. "RE: Bare back "BB""
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   Wow, ok, clearly I am doing the right thing. Okay, another question, what about DATY? I have heard that it runs the same typical risks of BBBJ just visa versa, and that is just still too much risk for me. So I can't offer that anymore either. I have spoken to another girl that does, and say's that it is safer, and although she doesn't do BBBJ she let's them DATY, what's up with that? I feel that is the same thing. I was just being new and stupid, and I will try to get some femi-doms if that is something they truly want to do...

~Vallery
xoxoxx

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northbay_bella
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07-Aug-07, 10:15 AM (PST)
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4. "RE: Bare back"
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SF City Clinic...a good reference for risk factors:


http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp


Xoo Bella

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Contessa
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07-Aug-07, 04:14 PM (PST)
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5. "Gfe"
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I felt it wise to make mention that when clients see a lady offering GFE services there is an expectation of full GFE services, especially if your reviews state you have provided those services in the past.

If you're advertising GFE, please be sure you are making ALL of the GFE menu items available: bbbj, daty, msog, dfk, cfs.

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Vallery
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08-Aug-07, 11:10 PM (PST)
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6. "RE: Bare back "BB""
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   Okay but if these are the known risks? I will just take off GFE, I just dont think it's worth it.
Performing oral sex on a man Chlamydia
Gonorrhea
Hepatitis A*
Herpes (RARE)
HPV (warts)
Shigella*
Syphilis
Hepatitis B
HIV**
Hepatitis C

You can do good things bad and bad things good~

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northbay_bella
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08-Aug-07, 11:57 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: Bare back"
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LAST EDITED ON 08-Aug-07 AT 11:58 PM (PST)
 
A little note about Hep A and B....you can get vaccinated for those. All health care workers do.
Sexual health care workers oughta too
I did the vaccines thru Planned Parenthood...it's easy!

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Notes on Hep vaccinations from sfcityclinic again:

How do I avoid getting Hepatitis?
Effective vaccinations are available to protect you against Hepatitis A and B. Both are recommended for those at high-risk of infection including men who have sex with men and health workers. Currently there are no shots to protect you against Hepatitis C. City Clinic offers Hepatitis A and B shots for those who are eligible. Please call 415-487-5500 for further information.

A new combination vaccine called Twinrix has been approved for protection from both HAV and HBV in people who are 18 and older. It reduces the total number of injections for vaccination from both viruses from five to three.

If you have not yet been vaccinated and you engage in anal sex activities, using condoms for intercourse and cut-up non-lubricated condoms, household plastic wrap or dams (square pieces of latex) for oral-anal sex can significantly reduce your risk of contracting hepatitis. In addition, wash your hands and sex toys as soon as possible after anal contact.


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Vallery
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13-Aug-07, 08:23 AM (PST)
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8. "RE: Bare back"
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   Oh yeah, I started the series a long time ago, I can't quite remember if I finished them though. =(
I should just go in and start them all over, it was just so long ago, I remember that I needed one more series of shots, one more visit and I dont think I made it. I dont know what one or two of the shots in the series would do, maybe nothing.
Thank you very much for all the information ladies, as usual you are very helpful.
~Vallery

Bad Girls Just Know How To Do It Better~

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9. "RE: Bare back"
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the risk for bbbj as well as daty is something to consider, for sure. gonorrhea can be carried in the throat - you can be infected in your throat by bbbj, and it lives there (lab tests show it in many cases of chronic sore throat). and it can be transmitted from someone who has it in their throat (from daty) to you during daty.

who needs it?

there are antibiotic-resistant strains of gonorrhea rampant right now, according to folks i know in the medical community.

play safe and have fun!

namaste

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Sexy_Sexy_Kali
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06-Oct-07, 09:49 AM (PST)
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10. "RE: Bare back"
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Vallery- I too used to be full gfe (dfk, bbbj, daty) and withing the last year I havent been doing it either. I too lost some business and people got upset with me because "well you used to offer it" but oh well its my life and my business. I dont do anything bb. Yet I still allow daty (I dont really know the risks but for some reason I feel they are less haha) if its someone that I feel is clean.

One tip that I always do that maybe is something else for you to think about. I do a bbhj so I always make sure I use one hand for that and designate the other hand for myself. You have to watch the guys too bc they usually will use one hand on you so you gotta keep an eye on em ((cross contamination??) . Which is not good at all so just make sure you are paying attention to everything so you can be as safe as possible.

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MsVeronicaM
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18. "RE: Bare back"
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   I just posted in another forum about my friend I had as an SW she had gotten herpes on her finger tips so obviously she was touching someone who had it and didnt realize it...Its called Herptic Whitlow...Please google it to get more info...So even bbhj can be risky...

MsVeronicaM

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11. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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   Hey girl I WAS doing the same thing until about a month ago. I started really reading alot of the forums finally here and realizing I love my work but if business is hurt I 1000% agree oh well. My life is not worth there happiness.

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Sexy_Seychelle
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13-Nov-08, 12:40 PM (PST)
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13. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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SEYCHELLE (Say-Shell)

Wow!! I am so glad that this topic is being talked about. I too used to do BBJ'S but i too have stopped doing that. I do have a boyfriend and i really would not want to bring something home. He also talked to me about saran wrap, because I keeping getting a UTI from to many DATY. LOL
But I have been reading alot of bad things aslo about Oral Sex. Just think of the men that are enjoying that with you, but we really don't know where or what has been in their Mouth. (a dog's mouth is cleaner than a humans mouth. So the saran wrap actually feeling good too. It creates alittle heat along with there is alittle bit of a suction with it. You just have to make your client understand the health issues here. But if we all start using the same by using cover for all Oral Sex. I don't think our business will hurt very much, but we all should be trying to be very safe at all times. Like you said it is your LIFE AN BODY. And i want i very long healthy life.

Seychelle

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Salena
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12. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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   I am a little unclear from your post *where* you were using the antibacterial lotion? I am not sure how using a lotion when you did oral was supposed to help reduce the risk.

From what I have read, it's best not to brush your teeth immediately before giving head, not allowing cim, and rinsing afterwards with a mouthwash like listerine (or a natural one with tea tree oil) is supposed to help.

But people can contract gonorrhea or chlamydia, and more rarely, HIV, from oral sex. It's not common, esp if you are fairly healthy and do not allow the man to ejaculate that way, but there is always some risk.

My understanding is some clinics like the one in SF can test your throat for STDs.

My take is everyone who is not monogamous, whether in this biz/hobby or not, should get tested for everything at least twice a year. STD testing is just about painless these days, with a urine sample being taken for G and C and a mouth swab being taken for HIV, in most cases.

~Salena~

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rubyrae
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23-Nov-08, 02:57 AM (PST)
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14. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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Response to BB

No jugdement,however when I came back to this business it had changed in so many ways, some good and bad. I was stunned at the liberties the providers were allowing, and the hobbist were bulling. However as in Rome, I too did what everyone else was offering. I felt I had to do it to make money, but as time when on I didn't feel very good about myself. I no longer felt I was in control my business let alone the health risks I was taking. It is true you can contract in gonorrhea in your throat not to mention all the other virus, bacterial infections etc... Remember our mouths are filthy, full of bacteria you don't know what we might be giving our clients to bring home to his wife. When I'm giving oral with a condom I have another one ready so I can quickly change before I have intercouse. I definitely don't want give myself a vaginal bactertia infection.
I had a lot of fear making that choice to go back to condoms. Some clients barked but I explained I was doing it for their safety. The outcome for me is that I gained far more than I lost..

Good Luck to all and Happy Holidays most of all stay safe.

Ruby Rae

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Sexy_Seychelle
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27-Dec-08, 05:08 PM (PST)
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15. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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SEYCHELLE (Say-Shell)
Hi Vallery,
I am so happy to see that someone else thinks like me. I to started out and did bbbj's but i stopped it too. If people would read about oral sex they would be shocked, You actually get more diseases from oral sex than having sex. I have even stopped guys from DATY because i keep getting a UTI or Bacterial Vaginoses. which is caused by germs from syliva in a mans mouth. I have started using seran wrap on myself if they want to dine at the Y. LOL Try it, it feels good too. LOL. Just think if someone had a fever blister on his mouth he could give it to you, you know where and it will be with you the rest of your life!!! Remember a dogs mouth is cleaner than a Humans.
I have had several different reviews written about me because of this but i say F---- you guys. I plan on living a long healthy life too. I hope all the other providers see this and maybe take this seriously. Because you have only one life.

Seychelle

XOXOXOX

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Farrah88
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16. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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LAST EDITED ON 11-Jan-09 AT 09:50 PM (PST)
 
wow you all are giving me goose bumps. Im really freaked out now. Seychelle what can you exactly get from BBBJ?? What about those ones that you hear about swallowing??

I'm going to bed soon so won't read this until tomorrow so hopefully you will have read this and posted away for me. I really don't even see that many men. I do this you can say part time.

Im totally freaked out. I have been given the hep shot to prevent me from getting it as I use to work in the med field at a hospital.

I have two ex b/f's that call and I won't touch neither of them, because I don't know who they have been with, Kinda odd huh?

Im a total germ freak wash my hands when I come home. Doing laundry constantly, yet here I am. Gave me a lot to think about.

I had an ex b/f stop by today from two years ago. I wouldn't open the door as no interest anymore. Plus now I think all men are only after one thing. They are huh its my love box. Stay safe my little hearts out there.


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BabyBambie
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17. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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Wow im impressed and joyed that you girl's are thinking with safety in mind! Ive never offered anything BB or DATY and i never will it just isnt worth the risk!

There are some in this forum that would argue giving BB or DATY is safe...I feel they are not thinking clearly and are trying to mislead uninformed provider's.

Take care everyone!

~Bambi

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MsVeronicaM
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19. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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   I am soooo happy you brought up this subject...I have been on RB off and on for over 2 years now..But just recently started doing it on a regular basis...and I have been having my doubts about this whole BB thing...I felt I was alone because so MANY providers offer bbfs...I am soooo happy not to be alone on this matter...It freaks me out to even think about catching HIV/AIDS...and how many providers/hobbyists actually have it...:(:(:(...and how many guys actually ask for it and how many guys slip the condom off...AAAHHHHH...I have done it dont get me wrong just being stupid...But afterwards I am soooo afraid and feel terrible...I am on BC method but I DO NOT want anything I cannot get rid off...Thank you all for everything you posted it makes it alot easier to say NO...

MsVeronicaM

I love you ALL already and I dont even know you...;)

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rachelsonoma1
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20. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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   One question I have for a provider who is doing bare services*: do you manage your money well? If you do, you can offer covered services only. If you have a dry spell, you will have money to meet your basic needs, rent, gas, food. You can continue to insist on not sharing any bodily fluids.

If you blow all your money on un-necessary purchases, you will be broke on the day when you get a bbbj inquiry. You might be tempted to say yes. Say no that new wardrobe/say no to bbbj. If you are addicted to a drug, including alcohol, get off it now.
It owns you. Stop using the stuff so you will own yourself.
If you want a lecture about not using drugs or managing your money, inbox me.

Are there clients who will try you once without knowing exactly what you offer? Then if you refuse to do something bare, they won't be back, but if you had agreed to it, they would repeat? Fine, then it's going to be a one-time client. I am all for being clear, but of course you are limited in what you can say and advertise.

*I also ask any provider this question if she is providing any service that she does not enjoy providing. It doesn't have to be bare. It could be covered DATY, or something else. None of use should do anything that makes us uncomfortable. Each one of us has a unique offering. I always offer counseling and I know some of you do too. Sometimes that's what they most need, although they don't put that into words. I feel that my willingness and skill at counseling is worth more than some unsafe act.

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BlowjobBecky
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21. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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   do whatever makes you happy. I prefer bbbjs just because it feels right to me. and I only see certain guys only so it works out ok. I guess...

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HottestLatinaLover
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22. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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LAST EDITED ON 24-Sep-10 AT 07:25 PM (PST)
 
You guess? HA HA HA. Hopefully you didn't decide to provide such risky acts on just a guess. Are you guessing who you think mite have something and might not? I also hope you wont be guessing what it is you have in your mouth once you have contracted something.

Chlamydia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/SOA-Chlamydia-trachomatis-female.jpg

Ghonnorea
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y3DjW1_eg-g/Sc5X9N33J3I/AAAAAAAAAAs/BfHw_FSX6h8/s400/Picture+of+Oral+Gonorrhea.jpg

http://www.stdsandyou.com/yeastinfection/yeast-infection-of-the-mouth-candidiasis-oral-thrush.jpg

Herpes
http://www.healthadel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/herpes.jpg

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MsVeronicaM
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23. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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   Wow those pics are so real and so WOW, WOW, WOW,scaring me half to death...that looks so terrible...YIKES...I need to start looking at pics like that...that will help me quit any and all BB services...YIKES...wow thank you for sharing those for reals...

MsVeronicaM

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rachelsonoma1
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24. "RE: Bare back 'BB'"
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   Any time you are tempted to offer bare services, come here and look at these pix. Nasty! I have a gf who got oral herpes from some guy up in Saranac Lake, NY, when she was 17. It was a one night stand. They had oral sex only. When she had her initial outbreak, there were blisters all over her mouth and chin. She hated having people stare at her. It was traumatic. Now she is on meds which have prevented an outbreak for years at a time. But once every five years or so, she still has an outbreak. There is no way to hide it. She was married for about 10 years. Her H never got it cuz they just abstained when she had an outbreak.

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