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The_Softest_Touch
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04-Aug-10, 05:58 PM (PST)
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"The truth verses a lie?"
 
So my question is a complex one. I have read many threads on the matter and we all have our two cents but I wonder which case is the one that seems to actually work. I have had both open relashionships and ones built only on lies and in the end only one thing is true of both of them, they always seem to end.

So what do you feel is better for a relashionship? Honesty or dishonesty?

I have heard from many that telling the truth is the only way to go, and yet others say that true love is caring enough to lie to your partner, that one tells the truth and hurts their partner only because it makes you feel better in the end.

How do you feel on relashionships, telling the truth verses living a lie?

xoxo
Amoni

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Katlara38
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04-Aug-10, 08:52 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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It is very complex! Well, in my case, I believe I have two different personalities one being the working woman who has experience in the field and is strong enough to deal with this business no matter the circumstances. On the other hand, I'm the woman who is a mother, sister, daughter, friend, etc.
When I'm working I'm one person and when I'm not I'm another person. Similar charateristics but different set of mind. I separate my personal life from my working life to keep a balance.

I tell you this to tell you this...

I believe in being honest and telling the truth, but I also believe that my business is mine and no one else's. If I don't talk about my business with family, friends and relationships it's because they wouldn't understand it. The only one who can understand the reasons and experiences I go through on a regular basis on this field, is someone who does the same.
This business is very difficult to understand, your mind has to be strong enough to deal with every new situation you encounter either is good or bad. No man or woman could understand it if they have not been in it because they will have to experience it in order to comprehend its complexity.
I don't think I lie because I don't talk about my business to my SO(when there is one) I don't think they need to know because when I'm in a relationship I give myself to him. Some might call me dishonest, but in reality, for a man this business is very difficult to deal with, and if is not difficult it's because he might be getting the financial benefits from it(which I refuse to do in a relationship).

Relationships are complicated, period! Two individuals who are completely different in most ways are trying to understand, accomodate, love, communicate, sympathize, empathize, please,and connect with eachother and one another. That by itself, it's difficult, exausting and enough to deal within a relationship. Now to bring another subject(like this business)in the relationship where only one of you will be able to reason in a mature and rational manner, it's almost impossible!

Just my thoughts...

Good luck!

Valeria

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HotAshleyOfReno
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05-Aug-10, 12:26 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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I have found that some things are definitely more difficult with an open relationship; striving to overcome jealousy and to trust each other unconditionally. Despite the difficulties I wouldn't change having my open relationship with my SO for the world.

Ashley

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lola_kitty
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18-Aug-10, 08:22 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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Lying is the better way to go! Just ask a hobbyist!

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summerrayne
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20-Aug-10, 09:53 PM (PST)
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4. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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HONESTY - it's the "acid test."

I met my husband 8 months into "The Business."

I met him on my bowling league - just a "regular guy."

I told him the truth - that I was an "FBSM" provider that I had a couple of clients that I had FS with (selectively) and let him sort it out.

It was hard for him at first, we got serious, and we made "rules."

Like a lot of couples in the "adult industry", you have to mold your business into what you BOTH feel comfortable with.

He got laid off early into the serious part of our relationship - but he got trained and went on to run my other credit repair/estate planning business (a vestige of my former mortgage company) is currently in retraining through a new union.

He was never a "pimp" and was never "lazy" in any sense of the word.

He doesnt' drink, smoke or use drugs.

IN FACT -

When he proposed, and asked me to stop FS - I did - and have never provided it since; we got married soon after - and he adopted my daughter last January.

My daughter started calling my hubby "daddy" soon after our marriage.
We got a picture of the three of us taken and put it in a white/gold locket with the date of our union as a family. He put it around her neck and said vows after he put the ring on my finger.

My daughter's father was a firefighter in another part of the state who thought it was "OK" to be married to more than one woman.

I didn't know about my daughter's father's other wife - after we were married - he'd already asked me for a planned pregnancy and my daughter's father's SISTER told me. OMG....

He signed his rights away a long time ago - but we still get his monthly checks (out of guilt - I guess).

Anyway - I believe everything in life happens for a reason.

If my daughter is capable, there is a good "nest-egg" for her and she will definitely go to a great college if she chooses to.

If not, her trust fund is set up conditionally and she can live a good life - free of those constraints if she choose to also.

I have made every provision...

But Girls...

If you have bad experiences - and I've had my share -

you can "squeeze out the GOOD" in order to help others through their lessons and serve as a "teacher's aide of sorts."

I have a beautiful little 10 year old girl. I only work when she's at school, with my parents or at the tutor's.....

And although the hubby got laid off in his old union, he is blessed enough to be retraining in a new one and running my other business wiht my adult sons now.

Everything works out the way it's supposed to be.

We are sometimes teachers and students at the same time.

**BIG HUGS** - Be aware and PAY ATTENTION.



CLASS IS "IN SESSION", girls!

And if you don't learn "The Lesson" - it just shows up wearing a different face.

It's always Summer at my place! xoxo

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KylieJordan
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05-Sep-10, 08:00 PM (PST)
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5. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-Sep-10 AT 08:12 PM (PST)
 
After 16-ish years with a man who was with me long before I ever got in to "the business" I can tell you with all my heart that every problem I have ever had in my relationship started with a lie. I was not always honest and it always came back to bite me in the ass... hard. He loved me enough to try and understand or forgive me when I was honest. He knew I was just a person and sometimes not a very good one but he loved me anyways. At least when I was honest, no matter how badly it it hurt him or how hard it was to say in the end I was allowed to admit my wrongs and have someone there to help me try and become a better person, a partner.

No matter how you look at it, lies kill relationships, hearts and souls.

You can't love a lie. Also can not truly except any love given to you that is based on a lie.

All truth is love and real love takes courage and humility.

I think someone once said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." I agree.

I'm sorry but I think that anyone who says lies are something born of love or justifies lies out of love is full of shit. Lies are the verbal communication (or lack there of) born of fear and ego, a catalyst for pain and misdirection.

Who knows why we would want to lie, maybe you have a fear that you are not deserving love or acceptance... maybe it's a fear of losing love ... or even more fun, a fear of being loved for who you really are despite not loving/liking yourself, that's a fun one.

This may not be a popular opinion but I think if you don't have the courage to face who you are in an open way you should not be in a relationship to begin with. If you can't be totally honest there will always be a void. Over time that void gets filled with ugly things... painful, ugly things.

KJ
Yeah, I know... but I can't help it.

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sexyclassyfun
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9. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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Brava to both Kylie and SummerRayne! It takes courage to be honest as we all fear rejection but if someone cannot or will not love you exactly as you are for who and WHAT you are, then they are not truly the one for you. Just as we need to fully accept and embrace our men as they are should we wish reciprocal treatment.

xoxo
Ray
I can't help it, I LIKE sex!

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kreamyitalian
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06-Sep-10, 10:10 AM (PST)
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6. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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   Well this has been my recent experience. My boyfriend whom i love deeply found out the other day about my part time secondary job(RB) from a third party and now he has thrown me out and is plotting revenge and hates me for lieing to him and decieving him. But the thing is, right now he's doing awp which is a work program that you do instead of jail time. He's doing it full time so is unable to even look for work. In fact we've been together since last february and he hasnt obtained a job at all since we've been toghether. I was working a legit job full time when we met and living with another man that totally took care of me in fact, treated me like a queen. And i left that man for him. I've tried to explain to him that if it wasnt for rb we wouldnt have been able to move into the apartment that we have, we wouldnt be able to party when we want, or buy the best kinds of food that we both love to eat, I pay for absolutly everything. And i do this during the day when i'm not working at my real job so it doesnt cut into "our time". In fact when i'm with him I shut my phone off and dont let anything interfere with us.All he can think of is that i cheated on him, that i let another man touch me and that i touched another man, and then came home to him and let him touch me. I cant make him realize that i did this out of need, not lust or desire for another man but out of pure need is to survive! I really love this man and feel that we are meant to be together but he's not willing to accept my providing and i'm not willing to go without! So i think i'm just gonna wait it out, let him get a little taste of life without me because sometimes you don't know what you've got till its gone. Thanks for listening, i feel better now that 've written it down and voiced my perspective on the situation.

" Men, you cant live
with them and you
can't kill them!"


"Party like a RockStar,
Live like a Movie Star
F#*k like a Porn Star"

xoxoxoKreamyitalianxoxoxox


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lisa70
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21-Sep-10, 09:31 AM (PST)
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7. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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HI LADIES.. IN MY SITUATION I MEET MY BOYFRIEND OF 1 YEAR HERE ON REDBOOK.

WHAT I HAVE TO DO IS POST AN AD ON THE DAYS I AM WORKING AND THEN TAKE IT DOWN AT THE END OF THE DAY. I NEVER POST AN AD IF I GET THE SAME DAYS OFF HE DOES. I NO THIS HAS KILLED OF ALOT OFF BUSSINESS. BUT AT THIS POINT ITS THE ONLY I CAN STILL KEEP HIM AND STILL MAKE THAT EXTRA MONEY . I NO I COULD GET A NEW NAME BUT I AM STILL WORRIED THAT HE WILL FIND MY NEW AD. HE WOULD HAVE SH*T FIT IF HE NEW I WAS STILL WORKING. SO I HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PAY THIS GAME OF "CAT AND MOUSE" WITH HIM.

DONT GET ME WRONG I DO LOVE HIM. BUT WITH THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS AND PAYING RENT AND A CAR PAYMENT AND CREDIT CARD BILL'S ECT. I STILL NEED TO WORK. MY NORMAL JOB HAS EVEN CUT BACK HOURS, SO I NOW GET 29 TO 32 HOURS INSTEAD OF 40.



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LittleDevilGirls
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8. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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Wow KreamyItalian,
You were with a man who just got out of prison and is currently plotting revenge against you?
And you are worrying about getting back with him? You are most certainly worrying about the wrong thing.
I'd be worrying about my safety right now and not worrying about getting back with a revenge plotting sociopath. Please be careful especially if he's ever committed a violent offense. He has every right to be angry but if he's prone to violence , I'd take that threat he gave you very seriously. Be careful. Please.

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HottestLatinaLover
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01-Dec-10, 00:34 AM (PST)
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10. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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The new saying is, "Keep it 100" meaning "keep it real" or be upfront and honest.

While I agree that honesty is the best policy, being honest doesnt excuse bad behavior. Alot of guys now adays think that if they tell the truth about their infidelity or sneaky ways, that it takes the burden of guilt off their shoulders. So they are happy to tell you they were with another woman, or desire another woman, because it helps them relieve their own guilt. And, if your a dumb ass bitch you will fall for that bullshit.

IN MY EYES, just because a person is 100% honest about being an asshole, only makes them a 100% ASSHOLE. And, then for a person to justify their actions by saying, "at least I was honest" is a way to in-validate the other persons natural feelings behind such activities. Why wouldnt someone be upset that the person they love is having sex with someone else? Isnt that a natural reaction? I think one should be more concerned about the sensitivity level of their significant other, rather than JUST their honesty. Is this person being kind, respecting you as a human being, treating you with sensitivity and nurturing your feelings? Giving you the full explanation you deserve and not making you feel bad for your emotions? Is your significant other treating you with the same respect they would have you treat them with? Is it a one way street?

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LUV_LEE_HEAVEN
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11. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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   I honestly feel the TRUTH is the way to go...if someone like/loves you they are going to accept it and relize that it is a job.Don't settle for less once you have settled for less you get less than what you settled for....If you lie its just a set up for failure..
xoxoxo
Heaven

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Autumnbreeze
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12. "RE: The truth verses a lie?"
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Well,

If someone is truthful after lying, then no, that doesn't excuse the original lie. It makes it better, maybe, but it doesn't negate the lie.

That said, I've always held that honesty is more important than fidelity. If I have an SO, and they want to go out and sleep with someone else, it's fine by me. I want them to use protection, obviously, and I want them to be honest with me about what they are doing. I want them to be there for me when I need them and any outside activity, sex or no, that jeopardizes that will make me seriously reconsider the relationship. But outside of that I don't feel I it's my place to say.

Happily I've found a few great partners over the years who've felt the same. Not 'the one' yet, sadly.

I also feel that lack of ability to talk about our work, a general dishonesty with the world at large, is one of the heaviest stresses of this job. And if you can't be honest with your SO, can't have that kind of intimacy, what the hell good is he? You don't need him for sex, you don't need him for money. You need someone you can make love to with no emotional barriers, someone who you can intimately connect to, someone you can share your deepest self with. If you haven't got that, and a 2-way street at that, move on.

Course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Love as thou will.

Gwenyth

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